just making an observation here..if you go back and look at the threads over 
the last few weeks...there are more threads about people being upset with each 
other, threads about badmouthing someone's actions or beliefs, threads about 
trashing someone's rep and putting them down, threads about people being upset 
with something someone says, or does.. -  THAN ACTUAL VANAGON RELATED POSTS..

just making an observation.
and, yes, there is more dissention and animosity on this list, than any other 
list or forum i am on..
this list isnt what it used to be years ago.

just an observation and my 2�

now, back to your previously scheduled flame fest..
chris