I don't think hate is far off the mark in many cities.

In Minneapolis the bike riders downtown, never, and I mean that very seriously,
never, obey the traffic laws, and get pissed if you remind them of it, to the
extent that that they are abusive, obscene, and may even kick your car.

I think hate is right on point, unfortunately.

tom

On 2 Apr 2004 at 8:18, Joseph Fortino wrote:

> hate is a big word, try and not use it. anyway I share the road and obey laws
> just as much as cars do. and ride on a 12 inch wide area for miles maybe less but
> if i'm traffic please don't kill me for it.
>
> I think it all boils down to understanding of eachother.
>
> just my view since my life is in the hands of whatever 2tons wants to do when
> behind the wheel. even peds have issues
>
> drive safe
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Brodbeck <gull@GULL.US>
> Sent: Apr 2, 2004 7:12 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: re drafting big rig
>
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Andrew Grebneff wrote:
>
> > Don't they have a speed limit for bicycles there? Here it's 24kmh,
> > not that bicyclists are interested in obeying it (or any other road
> > law, for that matter, or "no cycling' signs).
>
> In the U.S. bicyclists are supposed to obey the same speed limits as cars.
> Traditionally bicycles ignore all traffic laws, including stop signs,
> though, which is why so many motorists hate them.
>
>
> David Brodbeck, N8SRE
> '82 Volkswagen Diesel Westfalia
> '86 Volvo 240DL wagon
>

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85 Westphalia GL Albert
96 Jetta GL The Intimidator
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