People, our list is much more fun if we all know that:

Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.

Even if you win you're still retarded.

see: http://www.stuffucanuse.com/Odds_and_Sods/arguing1.jpg

ds

At 09:49 AM 8/6/2002 -0700, Aristotle Sagan wrote:
>yep Kevin, And if you had bothered to look at Matthew's web site before you
>stuck your less impacted foot in your mouth, you might have seen, he is
>making a difference. More than most of us can say.
>
>It's fun watching people make fools of themselves on the net, don'tcha
>think?
>
>tim in majorly blighted  san jose, ca
>
>
>>From: kevin obrien <kevindobrien@YAHOO.COM>
>>Reply-To: kevin obrien <kevindobrien@YAHOO.COM>
>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>Subject: Re: Revisiting the Catalytic Converter...
>>Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:33:00 -0700
>>
>>I didn't say I didn't want to preserve it....I was
>>implying that a person should ask himself/herself if
>>they are doing everything possible to limit the use of
>>our enviro-damaging Vans BEFORE they post a message
>>suggesting the measures another member should take.
>>
>>We love our Vanagons...but they are NOT the perfect
>>vehicle for enjoying the natural world...or preserving
>>it....catalytic converter or none.  I think our feet
>>do alot less impact....
>>
>>Kevin
>>--- anthony kimmons <akimmons@HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote:
>> > ditto, Bulley!
>> >
>> > ...Seems strange to me that someone who owns a van
>> > that's perfect for
>> > enjoying the
>> > natural world would not want to spend a few bucks to
>> > help preserve it...oh
>> > well...
>> >
>> > -Tony
>> > (new converter, and my van's not even being used
>> > right now!)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "G. Matthew Bulley" wrote:
>> >
>> > > Kevin snidely writes:
>> > >
>> > > "With a comment like that I really hope you weigh
>> > up every trip you make
>> > > to the store, around town etc...so as not to burn
>> > precious fossil fuels
>> > > and pollute the air...not to mention your 2nd car
>> > should be a electric
>> > > hybrid...is it???
>> > >
>> > > Am I to understand that Kevin is making light of
>> > the air you or your
>> > > kids breathe.
>> > >
>> > > Maybe in his area of the country they don't have
>> > 80+ code orange ozone
>> > > days a year. Maybe Kevin doesn't have kids who he
>> > wants to grow up
>> > > without repository allergies, asthma, or
>> > bronchitis.
>> > >
>> > > Maybe Kevin doesn't know what it is like to go for
>> > a 3 mile run and feel
>> > > like shit afterward because the air is crap.
>> > >
>> > > Whatever, Kevin.
>> > >
>> > > If you are trying to imply that being concerned
>> > about the environment we
>> > > all share is trivial, I'll let you stew in your
>> > own pudding.
>> > >
>> > > I'll err on the side of caution, and so I'll spend
>> > an extra buck or two
>> > > to take the train rather than drive. I'll replace
>> > that catalytic
>> > > converter when it fails. I'll walk to the grocer,
>> > the doctor, the
>> > > barber, and work at home rather than commuting.
>> > >
>> > > I wasn't asking for the moon; our Vanagons aren't
>> > the most efficient in
>> > > the world but with a little technology, they can
>> > at least be clean. Just
>> > > a little common decency for our fellow travelers.
>> > >
>> > > Whatever, Kevin, make snide comments and feel smug
>> > in your ozone world.
>> > >
>> > > Pax--
>> > >
>> > > G. Matthew Bulley
>> > > Mount Olive, NC
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Vanagon Mailing List
>> > [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
>> > > Of kevin obrien
>> > > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 6:50 PM
>> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> > > Subject: Re: Revisiting the Catalytic Converter...
>> > >
>> > > Hey G. Mathew....
>> > >
>> > > With a comment like that I really hope you weigh
>> > up
>> > > every trip you make to the store, around town
>> > etc...so
>> > > as not to burn precious fossil fuels and pollute
>> > the
>> > > air...not to mention your 2nd car should be a
>> > electric
>> > > hybrid...is it???
>> > >
>> > > --- "G. Matthew Bulley"
>> > <gmbulley@BULLEY-HEWLETT.COM>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > And then do the rest of us surface-dwellers a
>> > favor
>> > > > and spend the $100
>> > > > on a new catalytic converter.
>> > > >
>> > > > Developing business and guiding change since
>> > 1996,
>> > > >
>> > > > G. Matthew Bulley
>> > > > Bulley-Hewlett
>> > > > Marketing & Communications
>> > > > Business: www.bulley-hewlett.com
>> > > > Phone: +1.919.658.1278
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: Vanagon Mailing List
>> > > > [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
>> > > > Of Matthew Pollard
>> > > > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 6:19 PM
>> > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> > > > Subject: Re: Revisiting the Catalytic
>> > Converter...
>> > > >
>> > > > oxygen sensor bad = running rich
>> > > >
>> > > > running rich = more work for cat to do
>> > > >
>> > > > more work for cat = getting hot & melting,
>> > > > literally.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > unplug your oxygen sensor and see how you run.
>> > > > better? if so, then
>> > > > replace the oxygen sensor. if not change then
>> > look
>> > > > elsewhere.
>> > > > matthew
>> > >
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>> > --
>> >
>> > Anthony Kimmons, Houston Texas
>> > http://www.akimmons.com
>>
>>
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