

| Subject: | Re: Fusible links (was PS pump switch, engine ...) |
| From: | James |
| Date: | Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:18:18 -0500 |
Thanks, Stuart. I am still learning my way around the wiring diagrams in the Bentley. I agree, most fusible links are hard to replace - but Nissan, back when they were Datsun, used some that were easily replaced - practically fuses - right up by the battery. I know because I had one that controlled the lighting circuits blow due to corrosion further the wiring in an old Datsun 210 - a Datsun mechanic showed me how to change it, a less then 5 minute job. Not a fuse, but not bad. For the Vanagon, I'll look to high amp fuses (or circuit breakers?) in a few useful places. For these ideas, I am grateful to the whole crew on this list - you have both educated and empowered me. James Ottawa, ON '91 Orly Blue Westy Weekender > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 18:03:25 -0800 > From: stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: PS pump switch, engine compartment wiring harness, ECU, starter > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > Bentley doesn't show any I can find. > > They are a fail-safe for preventing a major fire caused by a short in big > wire. Those big unfused wires don't melt down until everything else has. > > They are not easily replaced (especially by the side of the road), so > putting an appropriately sized fuse in these unfused power supply lines is a > better idea. > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > James > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:46 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: PS pump switch, engine compartment wiring harness, ECU, starter > > And VW were not averse to fusible links - I've had them fail or known of > failures of fusible links in other VWs, Golfs, Rabbits. One was on a Golf > III starter - went up in a little poof of smoke! > > Are there many (or any) of these on the Vanagon? In places, it's as if VW > were depending on using low gauge wire to limit the damage in the case of > short circuits. > > James > Ottawa, ON > > > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:41:13 -0500 > > From: d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM > > Subject: Re: PS pump switch, engine compartment wiring harness, ECU, > starter > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > > > There are many wires and even components on the vanagon that are not > protected from over current or shorted circuits. From the factory the > connections to the power steering pressure switch were in an insulated > cover. Over time both from age and heat along with mechanic abuse the covers > crack and fall off or get knocked open and lost from work in the area. The > connectors can also loosen over time. When the pump or line gets serviced > the pipe may even get relocated so that these now open connections come into > contact with other metal objects. The real problem here was lack of care and > maintenance. That is if this was the real problem. Amongst things not fused > you have the ignition coil, injectors, fuel pump, O2 sensor heater, and all > that wiring from the battery and alternator through so many switches with > fuses between the switches and the component being protected. Think of your > house not having fuses or circuit breakers in the source panel but rather > between the switch and the appliance. Point is this one fuse addition is > sort of like a band aid when what was really needed is good competent work > to not have created the condition in the first place. The details matter. > > > > One option for mass system protection is to use fusible links. Special > wire designed to burn out during large overload conditions. Usually you size > these one size smaller than the wire being protected. Any old school GM > mechanic knows about these very well. > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > John Rodgers > > Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 11:03 PM > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > Subject: PS pump switch, engine compartment wiring harness, ECU, starter > > > > This is kinda to bring everyone up to speed on recent problems on my '88 > GL Vanagon. > > > > A little while back driving down the road the starter suddenly engaged. > > Stalled the engine. Clutched it, but could not turn off the starter. > Fnally did, and long story short, got it tow to HESCO, one of the best > garages in the area. They will work on anything. Even had a snowmachine > mounted on wheels in there. > > > > Anyway, after checking, they found the engine bay harness was fried, as > was the ECU and the starter. It seemed the meltdown began with a PS switch > wire. > > > > What has been learned from knowlegable folks ln this list, is that: > > > > 1) The PS steering switch circuit is a hot, un-fused circuit. There is no > protection of this circuit on these vans. > > > > 2) The fix ( by way of David Beierl) is to install a 7.5 amp fuse in the > engine wiring box, in the red wire that goes from the B+ post inside the box > to the relay box. That will keep your harness from smoking. > > > > 3) A thru 2003 BRAND NEW FROM THE FACTORY starter for a TDI DIESEL, fitted > with an adapter plate, works perfect. This also works with a Subaru engine > conversion. > > > > See following links: > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-NEW-STARTER-FOR-VW-DIESEL-TDI-MANUAL-TRANS-HIGH- > TORQUE-2Kw-ONE-YR-WARRANTY-/300475513229?hash=item45f5bc798d:g:p8EAAOxyJX1TF > mlY&vxp=mtr > > > > http://www.westyventures.com/parts.html > > > > Necessary pigtail: > > > > http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1673971 > > > > Kudos go to Peter Jones at Van Cafe for scaring me up an ECU with the > pigtail already installed formy SHOEBOX ECU MONITOR. Since my stroke I don't > have fin enough muslce control to do that fine soldering required. > > Hand shakes just a little to much. But he got'ter done. He is also going > to put Davids fix on the Van Cafe web site next to the PS swich info. > > > > And KUDOS to JAY BROWN for his advice on the starter pigtail and sending > me a new starter relay to replace the one that got fried in all this. I > happen to have his headlight relay set-up in both my vans, too. > > > > There were many others who provided input on this, and I want to thank you > all too. > > > > I seriously hope this helps someone else avoid the problems and expense > that I have had with this. Remember, fore warned is fore armed! Fuse that > wire and avoid all this some place on a dark and stormy night, between > Somewheresville and Nowheresville! > > > > John > =
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