

| Subject: | Re: FW: Starter for 1981 automatic: questions |
| From: | Stan Wilder |
| Date: | Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:58:32 -0500 |
I'm going to suggest that the PO wired around the starter switch when it failed. I've seen a variety of combination push buttons while turning the ignition switch and they're always an electrical nightmare. Your Vanagon doesn't need any additional solenoid at the starter it; probably just needs the solenoid cleaned. At this stage I'd say both a new ignition switch, clean the solenoid and disconnect the additional solenoid. Leave all the wiring in place just in case this is a configuration that is something new to me, you could need it. I doubt it though. Stan Wilder 83 Air Cooled Westfalia On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:27:20 -0400 Steve Selin <sjselin@NETZERO.NET> writes: > Hello, > > If anyone else has this similar rigging job, I'd really appreciate > some > input. I wish the rigger would have given some written explanation > for an > appendix to Bentley! I promise when I get this figured out I will > write an > appendix for my book to pass on to the next owner. > > It is a booster switch that you mentioned. The wires coming from it > go to > the solenoid. Also, 2 other wires come from the dash area (they > look > original). 1 large red, one small blue/brown. The red wire goes > into some > sort of square relay with 3 other wires coming out of it that go to > the > solenoid and to a ground. I assume this is the ignition. I think > the > blue/brown one was not attached. IS THIS POSSIBLE that it no longer > needs > to be attached to the starter? I am trying to get the original > starter back > on, but there is one too many wires. I know that everything else is > correct > EXCEPT there was one extra blue wire that I did not notice when I > took the > starter off. AND there is a blue wire coming from the 4-way relay. > SO: > either I should attach the blue wire from the relay, OR I should > attach the > blue/brown wire coming from the dash. Anyone with this rigging, I'd > be > forever grateful if you could check yours out and let me know what's > up. > > Thank you as many times as it takes to wear away a mountain with the > pass of > a silk scarf, > > steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael aka ECHO [mailto:echosmurf@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:22 AM > To: steve selin > Subject: RE: Starter for 1981 automatic: questions > > > Well Steve, > WHat happens; is over the years... The wiring length between the > ignition and the starter can build up a bit of resistance. > Sometimes the voltgae comes uop a tad shy for what the starter > needs. Most thinkt he starter has gone bad at that point. The > boost well, is actually a direct 12 volt and max amparage form > the battery, rather than the ignintion system. So, when you try > to use the ignition and the boost swtich (only thing I can think > of calling it) together really bump that starter over. > http://www.echo207.com/st1.html has apicture I took just about > an hour before this e-mail and posted on my web site. > Ther has been a few threads about it on this lsit and a few > other web sites have talked about it. > Mike > > --- steve selin <s.j.selin@vt.edu> wrote: > > Thanks! I'll check out the other starter. > > > > What's that about a 12v boost? Does the starter usually get > > less than 12? > > > > Steve > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vanagon Mailing List > > [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf > > Of Michael aka ECHO > > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 10:26 PM > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > Subject: Re: Starter for 1981 automatic: questions > > > > > > Hello, > > Yeah i went through this when I got my re-built starter > > through > > work. Found out there were different ones made. BTW, taht > > bypass switch I can bet it isn't a bypass switch. Just a 12v > > boost to help start the van. I have it myself. 1980 Vanagon > > here. If anything do return that starter and get the right > > one. > > Otherwise.. I'll have to crawl under my van and maybe take > > some > > pics even to help out if need be. Let me know. > > Mike aka ECHO > > --- Steve Selin <sjselin@NETZERO.NET> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I just bought a starter for my 1981 (automatic) van. The > > > picture looked > > > > just like the one I had. BUT it is missing 1 contact. > > > There are 3 > > > > contacts on the (old) solenoid (not counting the bolted > > > contact). There > > > > are 2 in a pair (red wires), and there is one by itself > > > (blue wire). The > > > > new starter is missing this third contact. Anyone know > > > what's going on? > > > > > > > > I am told there were early and late model 1981s and the > > > starters differ. > > > > Do I need the late model starter even though the picture > > > made it look like > > > > the solenoid and motor are MUCH closer together? > > > > > > > > ALSO: When reassembling with new starter, I found 4 wires > > > in need of a > > > > (non-bolted) contact, but only 3 contacts! What's up I > > say? > > > At one point > > > > someone wired a switch from the dash to the starter to > > > bypass a faulty > > > > key/ignition. This wire was wired to the pair of contacts > > > on the > > > > solenoid. Is this now replacing one of the original > > wires, > > > hence leaving > > > > it dangling? > > > > > > > > Help, please if you know what's going on! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_ > > > > > > > > > > > > Steven Selin - s.j.selin@vt.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > MY first VW! > > 1980 Vanagon L "D'Arius" > > LOOK a picture!!!http://www.echo207.com/vanagon.html > > Need any general computer help? Computer blonde? E-mail: > > echo207@excite.com and I will see what I can do to help. > > And a DEAD 84 buick Skylark (Going to see if I can jump the > > California > > Aqueduct ...) > > 78 Toyota Corona (POS everytime I fix something..something > > else breaks!) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== > MY first VW! > 1980 Vanagon L "D'Arius" > LOOK a picture!!!http://www.echo207.com/vanagon.html > Need any general computer help? Computer blonde? E-mail: > echo207@excite.com and I will see what I can do to help. > And a DEAD 84 buick Skylark (Going to see if I can jump the > California > Aqueduct ...) > 78 Toyota Corona (POS everytime I fix something..something else > breaks!) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >
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