Dave,

I've posted this kind of message here before.  Basically, the spammers
have won.

Our email providers feel that they are doing us a favor by detecting
spam.  So much so, that I've never found one allowed me to turn off
spam filtering ... even though some say you can ... they "know" what's
best for me.

Years ago, I missed an important message from my bank because my email
provider decided that it was spam.  Long story, but I have run my own
email server since.

But things have gotten even worse.  Some email providers now reject my
incoming email just because it doesn't come from google, yahoo,
microsoft, etc., not because they have ever received a spam message
from my server.

Like I said, the spammers have won.

Rant over,
Mike

------------------------ Original Message ------------------------
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2026 10:20:11 +0000
From: "ddbjorkman@verizon.net" <ddbjorkman@VERIZON.NET>
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Window cranks

 Hi Mike.
I got your original post but found this one in my spam folder.� That is
where some of the vanagon posts go.� I check my spam folder daily to
find things my computer feels are dangerous.� You could check it also
for wayward posts.� When I did not get replies to my first post, I
checked the archives and it was there, I just needed to shake the tree
to get some replies, which I did. Good Luck and Carry On. Dave B. On
Sunday, July 5, 2026 at 11:52:10 AM EDT, Mike Miller
<mwmiller6@att.net> wrote:   

  Never got the original post and it's not in my SPAM folder.� Is this
another plot against me? You're not paranoid if they're really out to
get you-Mike On Sunday, July 5, 2026 at 08:36:03 AM PDT, Michael A.
Radtke <wa7zpu@5by9.net> wrote: 
 Dave,

I bought mine more than 20 years ago to clear my speakers.� But then,
aftermarket ones were commonly available.� A quick google search comes
up with many, but I would try the our favorite suppliers first.

Mike

------------------------ Original Message ------------------------
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:18:56 +0000
From: "ddbjorkman@verizon.net" <ddbjorkman@VERIZON.NET>
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Window cranks

Hi All.
I was hoping to get at least a few replies or even get some chatter
going from the few of us still here. I really hoped someone would have
told me where to get them. Carry on folks.
Dave B.
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